Punch in Buxton, 1901

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Punch in Buxton, 1901

Postby Nick Jackson » 14 Jun 2014, 21:13

Even without sound, this clip of Prof Bailey is rather wonderful. You can just see the bottler's drum and he plays his pipes during the dance sequence!
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Re: Punch in Buxton, 1901

Postby Chris » 15 Jun 2014, 12:24

That's a wonderful find Nick. And what surprising quality film - see that depth of field. And a very well performed show. I really enjoyed that.
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Re: Punch in Buxton, 1901

Postby Nick Jackson » 15 Jun 2014, 19:23

There's also this one from Movietone of the Codmans: http://www.movietone.com/N_POPUP_Player ... tno=132234
But it appears rather staged.
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Re: Punch in Buxton, 1901

Postby Chris » 15 Jun 2014, 19:44

Well the couple in the foreground are very obviously posing, but I don't reckon they could all have been film extras! Of course in those days the Promenade was somewhere to "promenade" and life was, I imagine, more stagey than today. I'm sure I spotted Lady Bracknell passing at one point.
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Re: Punch in Buxton, 1901

Postby Nick Jackson » 15 Jun 2014, 19:55

It's definitely on the Movietone website. But when I first saw it, I thought it was a clip from The Card – film with Alec Guinness and Petula Clark shot partly in Llandudno in the early 50s. Petula is pictured below on Llandudno's North Shore.

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Re: Punch in Buxton, 1901

Postby Chris » 15 Jun 2014, 21:10

Also the ship scene seems beautifully composed, with the kids in the foregound, and one waving cap on cue. It could so easily have been shot for a film Nick.
What about the booth? I can't make out on my small laptop screen any detail. Is it the booth they'd have been using in the 50s or an earlier one?
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Re: Punch in Buxton, 1901

Postby Nick Jackson » 15 Jun 2014, 21:16

As far as we know, the booth being used now is the same as that used in the late 19th century. The differences are that the lion was once freestanding above a Punch/moon and the canvas/fabric was replaced with hardboard by Herbert Codman.
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Re: Punch in Buxton, 1901

Postby Chris » 15 Jun 2014, 21:25

So they could easily have added canvas for a film!
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Re: Punch in Buxton, 1901

Postby Nick Jackson » 15 Jun 2014, 21:28

Yes, they could.
Of course, it might just be good quality film as in the Buxton example.
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Re: Punch in Buxton, 1901

Postby CvdC » 17 Jun 2014, 03:23

Would the film of the promenade in Llandudno linked to above have been made in 1904 by john Codman? Or is his film another yet to surface?
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Re: Punch in Buxton, 1901

Postby Nick Jackson » 17 Jun 2014, 07:21

Not impossible. But it's definitely from Movietone.
There's a list of John Codman's known films on imdb.
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Re: Punch in Buxton, 1901

Postby Chris » 17 Jun 2014, 20:24

For those unaware of to whom Chris and Nick are refering I think it must be John Codman (1876 to 1935) who was not a Punch Prof. He was Manager of the Llandudno Minstrel Show but was also a pioneer in early cinema and of cine-variety. He is commemorated on Llandudno's public library:
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Re: Punch in Buxton, 1901

Postby Nick Jackson » 17 Jun 2014, 20:38

And, herewith, that very same plaque being unveiled by Cllr Philip Evans and Jackie Millband, daughter of Punchman John in 1996
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Re: Punch in Buxton, 1901

Postby Nick Jackson » 17 Jun 2014, 20:40

And from the same newspaper:
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Re: Punch in Buxton, 1901

Postby CvdC » 17 Jun 2014, 23:06

My brief research came up with this:

"This show was travelled by Reuben Williams in Yorkshire. Reuben was married to his cousin, Annie Williams, eldest daughter of Randall Williams, and they inherited his No. 2 Show when he died in 1898. This travelled as their “American Marionette Show and Cinematograph Exhibition” for a few years around the turn of the century, being reported open at the Rush Bearing at Sowerby Bridge. Later they settled at Hunslet, although they still attended local feasts with a Punch and Judy show, using puppets made by Testos*. The Punch & Judy Show was sold to Professor Codman, a bioscope operator and proprietor of the “New Empire American pictures” in Llandudno. The show still exists in Llandudno". (Scrivens & Smith, The Travelling Cinematograph Show)

source:http://members.shaw.ca/pauline777/Williams.html

*Testo being a family of travelling showmen.
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